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SCOTUS Upholds GOP-Pushed Voter ID Laws

Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:38:10 AM PDT

In a case reflecting a solution truly in search of a problem, and opening the door to all sorts of harassment for minority, elderly and other traditionally Democratic voters, the Supreme Court ruled 6-3 today that Indiana could legally require all voters to present photo identification cards in order to vote.

The Complaint had argued that voter ID laws would substantially burden the right to vote in violation of the Fourteenth Amendment; that they are neither necessary nor appropriate to avoid election fraud; and that such laws would arbitrarily disfranchise qualified voters who do not possess the required identification and would place an unjustified burden on those who cannot readily obtain such identification.

The Court's opinion essentially has two pluralities joining to form a majority -- Justice Stevens (sigh), Justice Kennedy and the Chief Justice joined to promote the standard that states can enforce "evenhanded restrictions that protect the integrity and reliability of the electoral process itself."  They argue that Indiana has a valid interest in deterring and detecting voter fraud, including with regards to "a large number of names of persons who are either deceased or no longer live in Indiana," but, um, what about the fact that such fraud has never been found in Indiana?  No matter, Justice Stevens writes:

The record contains no evidence of any such fraud actually occurring in Indiana at any time in its history. Moreover, petitioners argue that provisions of the Indiana Criminal Code punishing such conduct as a felony provide adequate protection against the risk that such conduct will occur in the future. It remains true, however, that flagrant examples of such fraud in other parts of the country have been documented throughout this Nation’s history by respected historians and journalists, that occasional examples have surfaced in recent years, and that Indiana’s own experience with fraudulent voting in the 2003 Democratic primary for East Chicago Mayor -- though perpetrated using absentee ballots and not in-person fraud -- demonstrate that not only is the risk of voter fraud real but that it could affect the outcome of a close election.

Yes, that's right -- no one's ever tried to commit voter fraud like this, but they've done it some other way, and, um, what's that historical answer?

One infamous example is the New York City elections of 1868. William (Boss) Tweed set about solidifying and consolidating his control of the city. One local tough who worked for Boss Tweed, "Big Tim" Sullivan, insisted that his "repeaters" (individuals paid to vote multiple times) have whiskers:

"‘When you’ve voted ’em with their whiskers on, you take ’em to a barber and scrape off the chin fringe. Then you vote ’em again with the side lilacs and a mustache. Then to a barber again, off comes the sides and you vote ’em a third time with the mustache. If that ain’t enough and the box can stand a few more ballots, clean off the mustache and vote ’em plain face. That makes every one of ’em good for four votes.’ " A. Callow, The Tweed Ring 210 (1966) (quoting M. Werner, Tammany Hall 439 (1928)).

Yes, America, they're using Gangs of New York to justify this.  Oh, and one -- yes, one fraudulent voter in Washington State's 2004 gubernatorial election.  So, what of the burdens?  Essentially, they claim, it might be a burden in individual cases, but not so bad as to strike down the whole statute:

A photo identification requirement imposes some burdens on voters that other methods of identification do not share. For example, a voter may lose his photo identification, may have his wallet stolen on the way to the polls, or may not resemble the photo in the identification because he recently grew a beard. Burdens of that sort arising from life’s vagaries, however, are neither so serious nor so frequent as to raise any question about the constitutionality of SEA 483; the availability of the right to cast a provisional ballot provides an adequate remedy for problems of that character.

[J]ust as other States provide free voter registration cards, the photo identification cards issued by Indiana’s BMV are also free. For most voters who need them, the inconvenience of making a trip to the BMV, gathering the required documents, and posing for a photograph surely does not qualify as a substantial burden on the right to vote, or even represent a significant increase over the usual burdens of voting. Both evidence in the record and facts of which we may take judicial notice, however, indicate that a somewhat heavier burden may be placed on a limited number of persons. They include elderly persons born out-of-state, who may have difficulty obtaining a birth certificate; persons who because of economic or other personal limitations may find it difficult either to secure a copy of their birth certificate or to assemble the other required documentation to obtain a state-issued identification; homeless persons; and persons with a religious objection to being photographed. If we assume, as the evidence suggests, that some members of these classes were registered voters when SEA 483 was enacted, the new identification requirement may have imposed a special burden on their right to vote.

The severity of that burden is, of course, mitigated by the fact that, if eligible, voters without photo identification may cast provisional ballots that will ultimately be counted. To do so, however, they must travel to the circuit court clerk’s office within 10 days to execute the required affidavit. It is unlikely that such a requirement would
pose a constitutional problem unless it is wholly unjustified. And even assuming that the burden may not be justified as to a few voters, that conclusion is by no means sufficient to establish petitioners’ right to the relief they seek in this litigation.

[In other words: particular individual voters may have legitimate grievances that this is unconstitutional as applied to them, but it's not enough to invalidate the law as a whole.]  

Justices Scalia, Thomas and Alito concur separately "on the grounds that petitioners’ premise is irrelevant and that the burden at issue is minimal and justified":

The universally applicable requirements of Indiana’s voter-identification law are eminently reasonable. The burden of acquiring, possessing, and showing a free photo identification is simply not severe, because it does not "even represent a significant increase over the usual burdens of voting." [] And the State’s interests [] are sufficient to sustain that minimal burden. That should end the matter. That the State accommodates some voters by permitting (not requiring) the casting of absentee or provisional ballots, is an indulgence -- not a constitutional imperative that falls short of what is required.

Two dissents.  First, Justices Souter and Ginsburg:

Indiana’s "Voter ID Law" threatens to impose nontrivial burdens on the voting right of tens of thousands of the State’s citizens, [] and a significant percentage of those individuals are likely to be deterred from voting. The statute is unconstitutional under the balancing standard of Burdick v. Takushi, 504 U. S. 428 (1992): a State may not burden the right to vote merely by invoking abstract interests, be they legitimate, [] or even compelling, but must make a particular, factual showing that threats to its interests outweigh the particular impediments it has imposed. The State has made no such justification here, and as to some aspects of its law, it has hardly even tried.

The burden of traveling to a more distant BMV office rather than a conveniently located polling place is probably serious for many of the individuals who lack photo
identification. They almost certainly will not own cars, and public transportation in Indiana is fairly limited. According to a report published by Indiana’s Department of Transportation in August 2007, 21 of Indiana’s 92 counties have no public transportation system at all, and as of 2000, nearly 1 in every 10 voters lived within 1 of these 21 counties. Among the  counties with some public system, 21 provide service only within certain cities, and 32 others restrict public transportation to regional county service, leaving only 18 that offer countywide public transportation....

For those voters who can afford the roundtrip, a second financial hurdle appears: in order to get photo identification for the first time, they need to present " ‘a birth certificate, a certificate of naturalization, U. S. veterans photo identification, U. S. military photo identification, or a U. S. passport.’" As the lead opinion says, the two most common of these documents come at a price: Indiana counties charge anywhere from $3 to $12 for a birth certificate (and in some other States the fee is significantly higher), that same price must usually be paid for a first-time passport, since a birth certificate is required to prove U. S. citizenship by birth. The total fees for a passport, moreover, are up to about $100. So most voters must pay at least one fee to get the ID necessary to cast a regular ballot. As with the travel costs, these fees are far from shocking on their face, but in the Burdick analysis it matters that both the travel costs and the fees are disproportionately heavy for, and thus disproportionately likely to deter, the poor, the old, and the immobile.

The upshot is this. Tens of thousands of voting-age residents lack the necessary photo identification. A large proportion of them are likely to be in bad shape economically.  The Voter ID Law places hurdles in the way of either getting an ID or of voting provisionally, and they translate into nontrivial economic costs. There is accordingly no reason to doubt that a significant number of state residents will be discouraged or disabled from voting.

And, finally, Justice Breyer dissents, focusing on how other states have minimized the burdens on those without IDs, unlike Indiana.

Bottom line, friends?  The Great Disenfranchisement of 2008 has begun. These laws are not neutral, are not innocent, but are an attempt by Republican legislators to prevent traditionally Democratic voters from casting their ballots.  We need to do whatever it takes to help all qualified voters obtain whatever records they need so that they can vote this November; we cannot let them win.

updated, 12:45 pm:  For more on why "voter fraud" is a myth, see this amicus brief filed with the Court by the Brennan Center for Justice, the People for the American Way Foundation and others.  ("The record contains no evidence of polling place impersonation fraud in Indiana: the State conceded that it was unaware of any incidents of attempted or successful impersonation fraud in Indiana; that no one in Indiana history has been indicted for impersonation fraud; and that no evidence of impersonation fraud was presented to the Indiana legislature during the debate over the photo ID law.")

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  •  Keeping the unwashed masses (17+ / 0-)

    away from the polling places.

    Republicans just don't believe in Democracy.

    I don't mind straight people as long as they act gay in public.

    by internationaljock on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:39:55 AM PDT

    •  I usually don't (2+ / 0-)

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      reply, but this Photo ID issue is nuts.  I suppose it is not democratic to require a photo ID to cash a check, or to open a bank account, or to get on flight?

      We were discussing this at work, no one could come up with a compelling reason to not require photo ID.

      So, I'll ask you: why is it bad?

      •  Here one reason enough (3+ / 0-)

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        Treg, Leap Year, brein

        If it keeps one person, just one eligible poor person away from the ballot box that is reason enough NOT to require ID cards! You see, the real difference between Dems and rethuglicans is Dems want to make it easy for EVERYONE vote and the other only want to figure ways to prevent certain people from voting. The vote is the Heart of a Democracy with out it, for even a single soul we are all poorer for it!

        Disabled Viet Vet ret. My snark is worse than my bite

        by eddieb061345 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:34:24 AM PDT

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        •  Wrong (2+ / 0-)

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          bootes53, xc1427

          Everyone must have some sort of photo id. How does one bank, drive, or if your so poor apply for govt assistance or cash a check even if you don't have a bank account. Next week the govt sends out stimulus checks with no id they can't be cashed. It's a nessesity unless you can prove me otherwise.

          •  Read the Court's opinion (7+ / 0-)

            They estimate at least 43,000 Indianans lack photo ID.  Just think of an 82-year-old widow who doesn't drive.

            •  Simple answer but hard work... (0+ / 0-)

              Progressive GOTV efforts will now mean additional resources to help those without the needed ID get it...and working to make sure the laws don't unduly hinder folks with limited mobility from getting the required documents.

              work at setting up ID stations at places the potentially disenfranchised more commonly come together.

              The GOP wants to stop them voting?  Damnit....let's put together the resources to tell them they can go stick it and make sure these folks get registered....and in the process remind them that it is the GOP which has made it a touchstone of their efforts to try and deny people the right to vote instead of making it easier.

              Free markets would be a great idea, if markets were actually free.

              by dweb8231 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 04:11:06 PM PDT

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          •  Please let's don't act (1+ / 0-)

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            Treg

            as if life in the post-September-11-begat-PATRIOT-Act world has been the norm.  It hasn't been.  Social security cards have been legitimate forms of ID, with the presumption that it's yours if you're carrying it.

            I guess the passing of Ian Smith not all that long ago meant that his playbook was available.

          •  wrong yourself (5+ / 0-)

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            Adam B, Treg, Leap Year, mayim, rhutcheson

            The essential and basic nature of our democracy is that ALL citizens have the RIGHT to vote, regardless of situation.

            While you might consider driving, banking, etc as essential to surviving in society, there are ALWAYS a number of people who have fallen 'outside' of society enough that even such things are not part of their lives, and so would ONLY need an ID to vote. A few examples might be the homeless, those in nursing homes, the disabled, etc. Even so, they are citizens and have the right to vote.
            It was actually quoted in the dissent that those without IDs are 1% of indiana, or 43,000 people.

            While perhaps a majority of these people could eventually get IDs, this will still end up disfranchising thousands of people.

            •  Operative word being "citizens" (0+ / 0-)

              A status that one needs to prove via birth certificate or certificate of naturalization.

              •  strawman excuse (0+ / 0-)

                if that were the case, then a birth certificate would be a valid means of identification. Instead we have Photo IDs. Not the same at all.. its significantly more oppressive.
                There is a massive difference in arguments here.. On one side you have people saying that you need to PROVE you have the right to vote.
                On the other side, you have people saying that you should have the right to vote by default, and the onus is on others to DISPROVE you have the right.

                I'm sure its simple coincidence that the effort to force people to prove they have the right to vote will just happen to disfranchise a specific class of people.

          •  If you're really poor, (2+ / 0-)

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            rlteiken, mayim

            you live on and by cash, you drive without a license, you don't file taxes.  

            You find that unbelievable?  Then you've never been in that kind of situation.

            But all that doesn't mean that you can't understand some of the issues, follow the election a little, and still want to vote, even to do a civic duty.

            •  So how do you propose (0+ / 0-)

              So how do you propose we keep "just anybody" from walking to every poll in town and giving the name of someone they know hasn't voted yet?

              I have at least two friends who are registered but never vote and are my race/gender and approximately my age (the only thing that the registration record says that could possibly make someone "cry foul"). I could EASILY go to their polling place (for my county, such info is easily online), give their name, and vote in their place.

              What is to stop people from doing this, if not some kind of ID? More bluntly, how would YOU feel if you went to vote and were told "I'm sorry, we have you down as having already voted this morning." How would you prove you had not?

              Honest people should have no problem showing ID, and as others have stated, there are more and mroe things you cannot do without one anyway.

              And BTW, I'm a Democrat.

              •  I'll accept that you're a Democrat. (0+ / 0-)

                I can safely say now, though, that you're not one who pays attention to the key issue, but rather one who gets carried away by the hypotheticals pushed by the opposite side.

                •  huh? (0+ / 0-)

                  I can safely say now, though, that you're not one who pays attention to the key issue, but rather one who gets carried away by the hypotheticals pushed by the opposite side

                  The key issue to me is making sure that everyone who presents him/herself to vote and is given a ballot is in fact the person he/she is claming to be. Somehow you are bothered by this, which I cannot understand. The fact is that where I live--and voting rules differ everywhere--all one must do to get a ballot is to STATE one's name and address. No ID nor voter registration card at all is asked for, and in fact, even if I hand them an ID to try and expedite their process, they still make me STATE my name and address.

                  I would find this very MUCH the "key issue" if one day I went in to vote and wazs told that they already had me on record as voting, so sorry.

                  •  Why are you so concerned about (2+ / 0-)

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                    something which doesn't happen (why would your neighbor impersonate you in order to cast a single vote?) while ignoring something which certainly will happen, lower voting rates of the very poor?

                    •  A question worth asking is this ... (1+ / 0-)

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                      rhutcheson

                      What better serves the democratic process. Allowing that there may indeed be a small number of fraudulant votes, despite there being no real evidence of any, or disenfranchising thousands of legitimate voters to prevent the imagined problem?

                      We do not forgive our candidates their humanity, therefore we compel them to appear inhuman

                      by twigg on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 03:55:37 PM PDT

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                •  I have a hard time with this as well (1+ / 0-)

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                  bootes53

                  I really do understand that it is antithetical to democracy to impose undue burdens for the economically disadvantaged to vote.

                  I don't buy the "solution looking for a problem" argument though.  Why are voter verifiable paper trails a good thing?  So that someone can't hack an election.  Has this ever happened (that we can prove)?  No, but that doesn't stop it from being something we should be concerned about.

                  If I were a Justice on the court, I would dissent, on the grounds that if Indiana wants to require photo identification, they need to make it easier to obtain, e.g. by providing transportation to/from the BMV, and tracking down your birth certificate on their time and dime.

                  •  Voter ID Talking Points (2+ / 0-)

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                    Leap Year, rhutcheson

                    These will probably address some of your issues.

                    VOTER ID TALKING POINTS

                    Voter ID laws are a solution in search of a problem.  There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud in this country, and Voter ID laws have nothing positive to offer.

                    Americans do not misrepresent themselves at the polls, and politicians shouldn’t misrepresent the facts to justify unnecessary voter ID laws.

                    Voter ID and Proof-of-Citizenship requirements are Jim Crow laws dressed up for the 21st Century. They serve only one purpose:  keeping eligible voters away from the polls.  Research shows that fraudulent voting happens rarely. Americans are more likely to be hit by lightning on the way to the polls than to have their votes cancelled out by fraudulent votes. But that's the last thing Voter ID supporters want you to know.

                    •Voter ID document requirements are so burdensome that millions of Americans cannot meet them. These requirements fall hardest on traditionally underrepresented groups: African-Americans, Hispanics, women, the poor, the elderly, and the disabled.  

                    •Two key requirements--government-issued photo ID and citizenship documents--are not in the possession of millions of voters and may be costly and difficult for them to obtain.

                    Overall, 21 million Americans of voting age, or 11%, do not have current and valid government-issued photo ID.  This proportion is higher for specific groups, including 6 million of adult seniors—18% and 5.5 million adult African-Americans—25%.

                    •Overall, 13 million people Americans (7%) do not have ready access to citizenship documents showing their correct legal name.  This proportion is higher for individuals making less than $25,000 per year (12%) and far higher for women.  32 million American women do not have citizenship documents showing their correct legal name (generally because of marriage).

                    •Voter ID laws lead to significant disenfranchisement.  When Arizona rolled out a Proof-of-Citizenship requirement in 2004, 75% of voter registrations were rejected for improper ID.  In 2006, 17% of new Arizona registrations were rejected on these grounds.

                    •The administration of Voter ID laws causes unnecessary hardship.  Although Georgia requires government-issued photo ID at the polls, most Georgia counties do not have photo-ID processing facilities, including the ten counties with the highest proportion of African-American residents and the entire city of Atlanta.  Many Georgia voters must take time off of work and travel significant distances to obtain the IDs necessary for them to vote.  

                    •Individuals losing their photo ID and/or citizenship documents in times of emergency or natural disaster would be unable to vote in states with Voter ID and Proof-of-Citizenship laws.  Tens of thousands of Americans, for example, lost their ID and citizenship documents during Hurricane Katrina in 2005.  

                    •Only birth certificates, naturalization certificates, and passports prove citizenship and all three can be expensive to obtain or replace (the current adult passport fee is $97).  Because Voter ID laws require voters to pay for documents in order to vote, they create effective poll taxes and are in violation of the 1965 Voting Rights Act.  

                    Voter ID laws are unnecessary.  They don't fix the allegedly widespread problem of "voter fraud" because studies show there simply is no widespread problem to be fixed. Existing laws provide plenty of protection to ensure voting integrity.

                    •Between 2002 and 2005, across the country only 24 people were convicted of voter fraud on the federal level.

                    •Voter ID laws cannot stop vote-buying, ballot stuffing, ballot purging, or even ineligible people from voting under their own names.  The only thing they are good for is keeping eligible voters away from the polls.    

                    The current trend of unnecessary Voter ID and Proof-of-Citizenship laws are part of a campaign to disenfranchise select groups of voters for political purposes.

                    •"Voter fraud" is a false allegation made by candidates and partisans in order to create ID rules that disenfranchise groups of potentially opposing voters.  Since the beginning of voting, partisans have tried to bend the rules to maintain power. This ruse trend was observed as far back as the time of Emancipation and is still seen frequently during close electoral contests.

                    Opposition’s line:  "State IDs are cheap and easy to get.  How can anyone not find the time and money to get one in the two years between elections?"
                    Project Vote’s response: While state IDs are cheap – typically under $20 – the proof of citizenship documents required for state ID application are not.  Seven percent of all American citizens lack access to proof of citizenship documentation.  

                    This problem affects an even a higher proportion (12%) of those who earn under $25,000.  

                    Proof of citizenship documents are both expensive and time-consuming to obtain.  A replacement birth certificate can exceed $40, and a passport costs $97.  

                    For naturalized Americans, replacement citizenship documents cost $220.  Potential voters must navigate cumbersome government agencies, which often involves taking time from work in order to travel to a specific office, fill out forms, and stand in line.  

                    The processing time for requests may last as long as a year, during which time eligible citizens would be deprived of their right to vote.

                    Opposition’s line:  "People have to use IDs in all kinds of normal activities like driving, renting a video, writing a check, or opening up a bank account.  It is reasonable to expect people to have a government issued photo-ID."

                    Project Vote’s response: Renting a video isn’t a right, voting is. Regardless of how essential you might see photo identification in your own life, 11% of American citizens, or 21 million people, do not have current, government issued identification with a photograph.  These people have as much a right to vote as you or I.

                    Opposition’s line: "If you aren’t in favor of voters being required to show ID then you aren’t serious about preventing election fraud."

                    Project Vote’s response: Voter ID proposals are solutions in search of a problem.  It is exceedingly rare for someone to vote multiple times, vote as someone else, or vote despite knowing they are ineligible.  From 2002 to 2005 only 24 people were convicted of or plead guilty to illegal voting in federal courts, an average of eight people a year.  There is no widespread voter fraud in America, and voter ID legislation would not improve the integrity of American elections.

                    Opposition’s line: "You say these people don’t have ID, but how are they cashing their welfare checks without it?"
                    Project Vote’s response: From census data we know that, in 2000, 6.4 million Americans who actively participated in the workforce fell below the poverty line due to low wages.  

                    Many of these Americans, the working poor, are part of the same demographic groups that disproportionately lack access to government issued photo identification or documents proving citizenship.  

                    Voting is as much a right for these citizens as it is for you and me.

                    Opposition’s line: "The ACLU has opposed voter ID laws that provide free ID to persons who cannot pay for them in MO, GA, NM, MI and IN.  This proves that you only want to stop voter ID laws so that you can continue to commit election fraud."
                    Project Vote’s response: While the voter ID legislation in these states proposed to provide citizens with free photo identification, the proof of citizenship documents required to apply for the free ID are absolutely not free.  

                    Seven percent of American citizens lack access to proof of citizenship documentation, and this problem affects over 12% of those who earn under $25,000 a year.  

                    These documents are both expensive and time-consuming to obtain.

                    A replacement birth certificate can exceed $40, and a passport costs $97.  For naturalized Americans, replacement citizenship documents cost $220.  

                    Potential voters must navigate cumbersome government agencies, which often involves taking time from work in order to travel to a specific office, fill out forms, and stand in line.  The processing time for requests may last as long as a year, during which time eligible citizens would be deprived of their right to vote.  

                    The desire to provide each citizen with free photo identification may be well intentioned, but the high cost of the supporting documentation would be, in effect, a poll tax that makes democracy too expensive for the poorest Americans.

              •  What's to keep people from doing it? Jail (2+ / 0-)

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                Leap Year, rhutcheson

                If this ever happened--and it hasn't--you'd raise a hue and cry, there would be a major investigation, and the culprit, if caught, would go to jail on a felony conviction.

                Prosecutors don't mess around with this. People who misrepresent their address for other reasons--such as Ed Jew, the SF politician who falsely claimed to be a city resident--get felony convictions for voter fraud.

                http://www.sfbg.com/...

                Another example: in Wisconsin in 2004, a women was asked to fill out a second voter registration form when she made a mistake on the first one. She voted once, but the poll workers accidentally filed both cards. She was charged with double voting, although promptly acquitted.

                No-one does this because the penalties are huge and the benefits miniscule.

          •  The poor do not bank. (1+ / 0-)

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            Leap Year

            Banks do not exist in poor neighborhoods. The check cashing industry gets rich off the poor. Rather than asking why a citizen should be burdened ask what is the purpose of the burden.

            •  The financial services industry euphemism (0+ / 0-)

              for them is the "unbanked".  Perhaps they can substitute a prepaid debit card and take their shoes off when entering the voting booth along with other "sub-prime" voters.  Being less flip, I agree with your questioning the purpose of the burden.  

        •  Yes, Everyone to include illegal aliens! (1+ / 0-)

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          LihTox

          The Indiana law offers ALL citizens the opportunity to receive a photo ID for FREE.  All of this to protect the integrity of our voting system - to include preventing illegal aliens from voting.

          Is this a position you seriously suggest the Democrats should stand on?  Kinda like supporting drivers licenses for illegal aliens? Geez, don't you want to win this November?

        •  By that logic, the very idea of a polling (0+ / 0-)

          place is constitutionally problematic, since not everyone can get to it.  Ordering an absentee ballot costs money (stamp), getting to the polling place costs money (gas), etc.

          Surely not all incidental expenditures associated with exercising the right to vote are unconstitutional.

      •  how about this? (5+ / 0-)

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        Voting is a right protected (indirectly, perhaps) in the Constitution; the other things you list aren't.

        Imagine yourself to be an 82-year-old widow who never learned to drive, and ask the question again.

        •  How is this going to affect (1+ / 0-)

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          Leap Year

          absentee voting?  No one asks for an ID to send you a ballot by mail, and no one asks for an ID to count that ballot.

          This whole law is horse shit (my apologies to horses).

          Make sure the people who would otherwise be disenfranchised under this law know how to request an absentee ballot.  This would re-enfranchise all those except the homeless who are living under bridges, who in most states can't get a voter registration card without an address anyway.

          "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

          by SueDe on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:23:20 AM PDT

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          •  to vote absentee in Indiana ... (0+ / 0-)

            one of the following must be true:

            You have a specific, reasonable expectation that you will be absent from the county on Election Day during the entire 12 hours that the polls are open (6 am until 6 pm).

            You have a disability.

            You are at least 65 years of age.

            You will have official election duties outside of your voting precinct.

            You are scheduled to work at your regular place of employment during the entire 12 hours that the polls are open.

            You will be confined due to illness or injury or you will be caring for an individual confined due to illness or injury during the entire 12 hours that the polls are open.
            You are prevented from voting because of a religious discipline or religious holiday during the entire 12 hours that the polls are open.

            You are a participant in the state's address confidentiality program.

        •  Actually, right to travel is protected (0+ / 0-)

          But to drive, get on a plane, get on Amtrak, and get on Greyhound you need a government-issued photo ID.

          •  Well ... (0+ / 0-)

            ... plane and Amtrak have some federal governmental nexus; I can ride PATCO from PA into NJ without any id, and certainly there are bus companies that don't require them.

            •  But for any national travel (0+ / 0-)

              you need an ID.  Furthermore, the fact that plane and Amtrak have govt nexus really doesn't help your cause, since elections have the same nexus.

              But in any event, that is not a question of whether other activities are constitutionally protected or not.  The question is whether imposing a photo ID requirement poses too high of a burden for potential voters.  Given the ubiquity of photo ID, it seems to me that the answer is NO.

      •  The Supremes (0+ / 0-)

        Big Brother is watching you.  Scalia is a snake in sheep's clothing.

        Not only did we beat the British now we have to beat the Bushes.

        by libbie on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:44:11 AM PDT

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      •  Excuse me (2+ / 0-)

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        Treg, brein

        But the Constitution is about what kinds of laws a government cannot pass based on certain fundamental rights discovered by our founding fathers.  None of the items you listed are about what the government can and cannot do to its citizens.  Now if the government were to pass laws prohibiting a mandatory photo ID requirement for your situations, then that's a different story.

      •  It's a Constitutional right. That's why. (2+ / 0-)

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        Leap Year, ewmorr

        And to deny people their Constitutional rights by imposing ANY burdens on them to exercise that right DEMANDS the HIGHEST burdens of PROOF that can be applied.

        There is ZERO EVIDENCE of PROOF that demanding a driver's license to vote is anything OTHER than a thinly veiled attempt to deny some Americans their Constitutional right to vote.  

        Period.

        (A reasonable person might ask themselves why these laws to restrain voting rights need to exist, and why they come from Republican legislatures.)  

      •  Here's why... (1+ / 0-)

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        Not just a photo ID, a government-issued photo ID with your current address on it. So, to take a very real and impending example, say you're a college student in Indiana, with a valid driver's license that doesn't show your dorm as your address. (Many college students don't get a new driver's license every time they switch dorms or move into a new apartment, of course). You have a valid photo ID from the college, other ID showing your current address.

        You can't vote.

        http://www.politico.com/...

        Estimates are that 19% of 18-29 year olds wouldn't be able to vote under this law. That's ONE IN FIVE, when they couldn't find a single case of voter impersonation.

        •  Excellent point. (0+ / 0-)

          Who moves frequently and doesn't always get a new photo ID? Students, definitely, and also the working poor. I work in a non-wealthy scool district, and many of my students change residences regularly, often living in an apartment, but when Dad gets laid off, they move in with various family members. These are mostly working-class minorities, i.e. people likely to vote Democratic in my area.

    •  Because its a redundant, purposeless requirement (0+ / 0-)

      It's an imaginary issue.  When one registers to vote, each person AT THAT TIME already provides a photo id.  Once you register, the agency then scans your data into their system.  Some scan the photos, some scan just the signature - they're all different.  But once having registered, you can show up on election day and have your signature matched to the specimen that you provided with your registration materials.  If you have moved and not updated your records, or if your signature does not match or if there is some other irregularity, then the laws already require for some backup documentation, including photo id.  What would you do with folks who vote absentee, by mail?   What would you do if you showed up but your drivers license had been surrendered for a speeding ticket?   The fact is that the greatest number of people screened out by this sort of requirement is the poor and minorities.

      •  They don't check on the spot (0+ / 0-)

        At least where I vote, they do require a signature but they certainly do not cross-check it against anything...I could easily go in, give a name of someone my gender and age whom I know has not voted yet, and forge their signature. Or, someone could do that using MY name.

        And, even if the signature doesn't match, if I insisted that I was in fact that person, what then? You're saying no ID needs to be shown, so they can't ask me to prove I'm them? So without a final "authority" on whether I am or am not the person I say I am, how do we resolve it?

      •  They do not, since you can register by mail. nt (0+ / 0-)

  •  I used to think Photo IDs were a no brainer (15+ / 0-)

    I didn't realize how privileged and wealthy I was(comparatively) or that getting a photo ID is hard for some people.

    This makes me really angry. Why the hell is a simple utility bill and non-photo ID not enough?

    •  In some cases it is easier to get a fake id (6+ / 0-)

      rather than a legitimate one; my wonder is if the photo id does not lead to increased voter fraud ( if there ever were); it seems that poll workers would be more likely to assume all photo ids are valid and not check any farther.

    •  We must make this backfire badly (3+ / 0-)

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      We have the capacity to help this backfire terribly on the Republicans. I can walk around all day, not giving a thought to my wallet. But, the second I feel a hand grabbing at it, its value becomes very apparent to me, and I can react quite explosively toward a would-be pickpocket.

      Outside of dominionist rallies, the Republicans still try to give some cover for the Court to maintain its public fantasy of neutrality. Scalia's already on this ice with his "Get over it!" comments on Bush v Gore. He's not going to win any hearts and minds by telling petitioners that their 14th amendment claims are irrelevant.

      McCain the populist? How will that fly when we have to take up legal aid collections to let the poor and elderly vote in Republican-controlled states?

      Governing by evidence and graded on results? Not in science, not in economics, and not even with respect to universal suffrage so long as Republicans control the Courts.

      Keep this alive and turn it back on them.

      Why is there a Confederate Flag flying in Afghanistan?

      by chimpy on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:03:39 AM PDT

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      •  I know its hard to keep the Justices (1+ / 0-)

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        straight in your head, but it was STEVENS, not Scalia who wrote the opinion.

        •  Two separate opinions on why law was upheld (0+ / 0-)

          From story above: Justices Scalia, Thomas and Alito concur separately "on the grounds that petitioners’ premise is irrelevant and that the burden at issue is minimal and justified"

          Weird, but appears to have happened.

          Why is there a Confederate Flag flying in Afghanistan?

          by chimpy on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 01:15:10 PM PDT

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          •  Not weird at all. (1+ / 0-)

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            Justices write concurring opinions all the time.  But the controlling opinion is Stevens' not Scalia's.

            •  unclear. (1+ / 0-)

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              What makes one three-justice plurality "the opinion of the Court" over another, exactly?  Neither set of justices signed onto the others' opinion.

              •  It's not an "opinion of the Court" (1+ / 0-)

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                But it is the controlling opinion.

                Marks rule makes it so.  Under Marks, that opinion is controlling which decided the case on narrowest grounds.  Stevens' opinion is narrower than Scalia's so that's the controlling one.

                •  Forgot about Marks rule ... (2+ / 0-)

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                  ... and it's my alma mater's Dean who is one of the biggest proponents of it, IIRC.  But that's correct: Stevens holds out for an as-applied challenge; Scalia does not.

                  •  Two opinions explained (0+ / 0-)

                    From the more southerly of the blogging Froomkin brothers:

                    As to charges that the law is the partisan hack job everyone knows it to be, Stevens writes that even if the law is partisan, there are neutral reasons for it, and that suffices to survive a facial challenge:

                    ...if a nondiscriminatory law is supported by valid neutral justifications, those justifications should not be disregarded simply because partisan interests may have provided one motivation for the votes of individual legislators. The state interests identified as justifications for SEA 483 are both neutral and sufficiently strong to require us to reject petitioners’ facial attack on the statute. The application of the statute to the vast majority of Indiana voters is amply justified by the valid interest in protecting "the integrity and reliability of the electoral process.

                    That, like it or not, is pretty standard doctrine.

                    Scalia (writing for Thomas and Alito), isn’t happy that the door is left open to as-applied challenges. He’d close it now, even before the facts are in:

                    The lead opinion assumes petitioners’ premise that the voter-identification law "may have imposed a special burden on" some voters, ante, at 16, but holds that petitioners have not assembled evidence to show that the special burden is severe enough to warrant strict scrutiny, ante, at 18–19. That is true enough, but for the sake of clarity and finality (as well as adherence to precedent), I prefer to decide these cases on the grounds that petitioners’ premise is irrelevant and that the burden at issue is minimal and justified.

                    The good news is that this view gets only three votes. Not even Roberts would buy it.

                    Why is there a Confederate Flag flying in Afghanistan?

                    by chimpy on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 03:19:51 PM PDT

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  •  typo (0+ / 0-)

    Justice Stevens rights:

    I'll finish reading now

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    by VelvetElvis on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:41:50 AM PDT

  •  So How Hard Would It Be (7+ / 0-)

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    ...to pass a law that said every precinct has to provide the facility for someone to come in and get a photo-ID on election day?

    You could do the same thing the Republicans did, and just say the whole intent is to protect the sanctity of the voting process.  How could anybody oppose it?  Obviously the costs would be ridiculous, but it could end up with a form of compromise better than what they've got now.

    ---- now they sit and rattle their bones and think of their bloodstone days...

    by TooFolkGR on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:42:52 AM PDT

    •  Or What About A Kit.... (4+ / 0-)

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      A kit that activists can take out into the field with them that allows someone to "remotely" get a photo ID.  You just fill out a form, take a picture, and mail it in, then they get a free photo ID in the mail... that would allow activists to bring more people into compliance.

      ---- now they sit and rattle their bones and think of their bloodstone days...

      by TooFolkGR on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:44:42 AM PDT

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      •  Then what's the point? (3+ / 0-)

        All you're doing is requiring two forms of non-photo ID and taking a picture.  You gain nothing more.

        That's why requiring photo ID is so absurd in the first place.

        •  Yeah, Take it up with the SCOTUS (0+ / 0-)

          ...or appeal to the SUPER-Supreme court.  Or cry.  

          The voter ID law is here to stay and now there will just be more of them.  I'm just trying to think of outside the box solutions to keep as many people involved in our elections as possible while staying within that framework.

          ---- now they sit and rattle their bones and think of their bloodstone days...

          by TooFolkGR on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:48:55 AM PDT

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          •  Then try not to respond so immaturely (0+ / 0-)

            when someone points out that your "out of the box solution" isn't much of a solution after all.

            The only real remedy here is federal legislation, which isn't looking likely.  Particularly since this is all a game to prevent us from getting a legislature friendly to passing such a law...

            •  Federal legislation? (1+ / 0-)

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              To interfere with state control of elections?

              Not likely.

            •  Whining About a Supreme Court Ruling... (0+ / 0-)

              ...isn't much of a solution either.

              The suggestion of Federal Legislation is tricky too.  I'm not even sure you could do it without a constitutional amendment.  The Federal Legislation would also be tricky.  You'd have to craft it in such a way that it wasn't interfering with state control of elections.

              ---- now they sit and rattle their bones and think of their bloodstone days...

              by TooFolkGR on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:03:37 AM PDT

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              •  Stop thinking about what someone else can do (0+ / 0-)

                and start thinking about what you can do.  Join an organization - or start one - to register voters and help them get whatever they need to do so under this law.  Start a foundation to take up money, or just send e-mails to everyone you know asking them to sponsor one person to get him/her a picture ID.  Get someone from the local newspaper to write a story on what you're doing.

                Locate the people in your community who need help; figure out the process you need to get them an ID; collect money for birth certificates or other needed documents, then enlist the local League of Women Voters and other organizations to reach out to those people.  We know who most of the people are - they're the ones who need rides to the polls on election day.

                "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

                by SueDe on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:10:28 AM PDT

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          •  no (1+ / 0-)

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            the goal must be to retake control of the Indiana legislature by Democrats and overturn this law.

        •  exactly (11+ / 0-)

          I am so angry reading this decision. One thing I have done is to make a special effort to help people to vote in an assisted living home. By and large these are people who have intact mental faculties, they are just mostly elderly and/or physically disabled.

          If you are wheel-chair bound, you require a special van to get you to the polls.

          Many of these people do not possess a picture ID.

          I checked out the circumstances for one person there. in order to request a birth certificate from her home state it would take 12 weeks and around $40 - then there is the $25 fee for a state photo ID.

          $65 and alot of paperwork. this is a modern day POLL TAX especially on disabled people who find it hard to travel. I am surprised this does not violate some disabilities law.

    •  That's begging the question (1+ / 0-)

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      which is, is there a fundamental right to vote that trumps legislative power?

      If you've got the votes in the (elected by a card-limited electorate) legislature, you can do a lot of things to make voting easier.

  •  I'm guessing the great state of Indiana... (7+ / 0-)

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    is not about to offer free photo ID to every resident in the state, nor actively complete the photo ID listing...

    If everyone (even people who now hate each other) give you the same advice, chances are it's good advice.

    by cskendrick on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:44:14 AM PDT

  •  SCOTUS Upholds GOP-Pushed Voter ID Laws (16+ / 0-)

    It's what the Democrats missed in the 2000 and 2004 elections - it's all about the Court.  The Supreme Court, with its lifetime appointments,  has a far greater impact on the average American than any presidential administration. The ability to pack the court during Bush's almost 8 years in office will be his defining legacy.  If the Republicans get another four years, or more, the entire Court makeup will be like Scalia.  This is, and will be, the real tragedy.